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watlers_world
Sujet du message : Windows 3.1 and newer motherboards
Publié : 13 sept. 2014 20:54
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I just tested windows 3.1(win98 DOS) on a Sabertooth X58 i7-960 with 24gb of ram
Windows 3.1 (4gb DPMI) seems to be working.

Any one else having good luck with newer motherboards and hardware?

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Big Monstro
Sujet du message : Re: Windows 3.1 and newer motherboards
Publié : 13 sept. 2014 21:20
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I suppose most people use Windows 3.1 either on ancient computers or virtual machines.

That said, I have already noticed some older OS actually work easier on modern hardware than Windows 9x !
  • Windows 95/98/Me fail to boot if you have 1 GB RAM or more (or sometimes lower), whereas MS-DOS 6.22 still works like a charm (memory above 64 MB is just invisible)
  • Windows 95 fails to boot if your processor frequency is too high. That problem doesn't exist on DOS and Windows 3.1x (although some DOS apps don't like fast computers)
To resolve these issues on Windows 9x, you have to apply some unofficial patchs.


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Sujet du message : Re: Windows 3.1 and newer motherboards
Publié : 13 sept. 2014 22:01
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I cant help it if all I have is ancient computers. :(
Does win3x work on your newer hardware?

Windows 3.x was the first windows version to support virtual machines in its dos boxes.
You should be able to use hxdos extender there.

For 3.1/win95/98 simply use the himem from windows 3.1
To further adjust the amount of ram use setxmsto.

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Sujet du message : Re: Windows 3.1 and newer motherboards
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watlers_world a écrit :
Windows 3.1 was the first windows version to support virtual machines in its dos boxes.
Not exactly, Windows 3.0 and even Windows/386 (the most advanced version of Windows 2.x) support the virtual 8086 mode, a feature introduced in 80386 and used to create virtual DOS machines while running the OS in protected mode.
watlers_world a écrit :
For 3.1/win95/98 simply use the himem from windows 3.1
Funny idea :lol:, I've never tested it but why not ?

Himem.sys from Windows 3.1 supports XMS 3.0, and the OS is theoretically limited at 256 MB of RAM in 80386 mode (source: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/84388). Enough for Windows 9x


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Sujet du message : Re: Windows 3.1 and newer motherboards
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Thank you for the correction.
Never be afraid to challenge a statement.

http://www.computing.net/answers/window ... 11762.html


You have expressed some enthusiasm in the ideas involved,
but given input no input on my original question.


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Sujet du message : Re: Windows 3.1 and newer motherboards
Publié : 12 juin 2020 20:40
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Windows 3.1/3.11 works in enhanced mode on my Ryzen 3900x 3.8Ghz/ X470 motherboard /32GB RAM/2070 Super + Voodoo 3 PCI + VIA 6421 PCI - SATA (special addition for Windows 3.x)

Tested also on i5 Haswell/H81 -required SATA to be set as IDE for enhanced mode, booted with networking in ehanced

Worked fine on HP workstation Z220 with i7-3770/C216 - in AHCI mode/enhanced, with gigabit networking.

On my Ryzen 3900/x470 I can make it work under 5 minutes with no additional hardware - but only in standard mode.

Enhanced mode took a lot of testing to make it work:

1) on this board won t start in enhanced unless I have DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS /M:1 /CPUCLOCK:OFF /V /testmem:off - other machine types will cause a freeze after splash screen

2) on this particular board Windows 3.11 won t start in enhanced with on board AHCI. I had to add a PCI -SATA adapter which solved the problem.

3) also, on this board Windows 3.11 will hang with networking enabled. To get TCP/IP working I used Trumpet Winsock.

All these screen shots were taken while running on Ryzen:

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watlers_world
Sujet du message : Re: Windows 3.1 and newer motherboards
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It is a bit unhandy for a Win3x user to use images in the *.PNG format.
OMORES, could you please use a more universal image format?


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Joet BERNARD
Sujet du message : Re: Windows 3.1 and newer motherboards
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They are just cropped screenshots from my phone.
Nice to help you :D
(My first reply in International board!)

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